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Bajrang Dal riot continues as church vs church adds a twist

SHAJU PHILIP

Mangalore, Sept 15: The Bajrang Dal continued to target Christian establishments in Mangalore despite prohibitory orders and deployment of additional police contingents. Two Catholic churches were attacked on Monday and violence spilled over to the neighbouring Kasaragod district in Kerala where a Catholic-run sch ....Read more

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Question to Shaju PhilipBy: D Pulisetty | Saturday , 8 Nov '08 21:11:39 PM Reply | Forward what is your overview on former British PM, Tny Blair, taking u/ converting to as a matter of fact to catholism from, i guess, protestant denomination. Was it casteism akin to indian setting, just trying to understand and nopunintended.

UNIFORM CIVIL CODEBy: Renjith Nair | Wednesday , 17 Sep '08 0:05:48 AM Reply | Forward It is a propaganda which got more momentum since British colonization.Please stop such business minded religious conversions.The Govt. of India must immediately implement uniform civil code otherwise this country will turn to be a place of communal violence everyday. The truth is UPA government doesn’t have the Guts and political will to do that because they won’t be in power without vote bank politics.

PSEUDO-SECULARISM AND INDIA'S CULTURAL INDENTITYBy: Renjith Nair | Wednesday , 17 Sep '08 0:04:07 AM Reply | Forward Today I feel there is someone in this country stood up against the immoral activities in this country which is being deliberately ignored by politicians just to appease a section of community because of vote bank politics.I am living in a country where not even a Hindu temple can't be built and do worship.It is the matter of cultural identity of India.It should be preserved at any cost.It is true that we enjoy religious freedom but it should not be misused.It is well known that certain foreign funded shadowy NGOs and evangelical outfits are carrying out illegal conversions in this country luring people in to their fold by offering money,foriegn citizenship etc.I am glad that it is being checked now. Well done Mr.Yedyurappa.We need straight forward politicians like you. The fact is, these conversions are being done to increase the political bargaining power of that community in this country. It is a propaganda which got more momentum since British colonization.

nBy: A | Wednesday , 17 Sep '08 1:01:58 AM Reply | Forward just because you are in Middle East country, you want to change india's democracy into a Middle Eastern kind of Rule ? if someone offered me money and citizenship in a foreign country with a better life i would take it.

where is the securityBy: upinder | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:39:06 PM Reply | Forward Muslims throughtout the country , Hindus in south , these two groups are slowly breaking piece by piece my motherland. Where did all the rational people in the communities go , how have the state and the federal govt allowed such mob culture to hijact the peace and prosperity in the country. If the govt's are plagued by this "chalta hai" attitude where are the citizens of the country supposed to look at for peace and security. Having to explain to my fellow collegues in a foreign country how a country that can give us such icons like Mahatma Gandhi and Subhash Chandra Bose and be a calling for Mother Teresa spawn such rivililed characters such as Modi and Tagodia. These mobs that are attacking Churches and terrorists that are putting bombs in hindu temples is drawing the country to a split. If we havent learnt anything from a failed state as Pakistan then we are a country of educated but unintelligent people. My request to the govt be stronger then people and make this terror stop.

Christian prayer halls and Public toiletsBy: KMR Overseas | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:21:21 PM Reply | Forward BOTH STINKSfullstop

Gods willBy: kumarkumbla | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 20:59:06 PM Reply | Forward Missionaries are the people who destroyed the great civilizations like Incas. They butchered American Indians. They are the ones who had driven out people from Goa who did not believe in their version of god. They destroyed the north east Indiaâ€™s ethnic diversity in the name Lord, who created variety in everything he did. Please look at trees, flowers, animals, weather, landscape, skin color. God decides in which country, which religion, which nation should be born ie. if you were to believe in God. What right you mortals have to change the Gods will. Christian minority were awarded plenty of land during British and Portuguese time for being getting converted, which was forcefully acquired from non believers and which is now being used to claim their superiority in rendering education, while getting benefited from the government. Yes, Jesus was great Saint. However Church is Ignoring history and the violent cultural and religious oppression done by it.

get the facts straightBy: Rakesh | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:40:38 PM Reply | Forward Incas were not destroyed by Missionaries. get your facts straight rather than make uneducated statements. the Incas and Mayan civilisation were taken over by the spanish in 15 century. going by your logic, Alexander attached india so he can be called a Missionary ?

re: get the facts straightBy: Santosh | Wednesday , 17 Sep '08 9:22:03 AM Reply | Forward Hi Rakesh,Are you kidding me? @_@"Incas were not destroyed by Missionaries"The Spanish you are referring to, took over the kingdoms; the political aspect. When we say civilisation, that is different thing.BTW: E=mc2 is not a Jew equation. Don't stoop too much to prove your point. :D

Christain CrapBy: Sachin | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 19:25:20 PM Reply | Forward Do you expect to believe this crap from the Christain churches in India. Everybody knows that they are activily converting poor and economically weak people by providing them money and selling the dreams of better life. Conversion is a dangerous trend since it leaves a man without an solid identity to which he can relate to. Look what happened to Native Americans and the Australian abrogines, where are they and whoever exists are lost and don't have a sense of belonging to anything. If we have to save the Indian socitey and survive in todays world we need to unite as Hindus and fight the cunning christain strategy to convert people and also not to forget to fight back the islamic terrorism with force.

Huh ?By: Rakesh | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:02:55 PM Reply | Forward Hahhahheheh ! man, you try desperately to find some point to prove. So if a poor man , is given money by christians, he takes the money and become a christian, becomes rich, what is stopping him from going back to his religion after he becomes Rich ?No about Native americans, they have better education, have better lives than living in the jungle , hunting and killing each other, they have education, they have a lot more. identity ?? Hah ! what a bunch of crap. if you are so identity concious, why do you come to Christian countries like US and UK and Australia and work here and take their money ? so you want their Christian money ? you are so full of crap. the indian society does need to be saved but from the hands of politicians and narrow minded people. you rejoice and celebrate when an indian hindu becomes prime minister of another country. but then a "foreigner" tries in this country you raise a hue and cry ! that shows how narrow minded and selfish you are.

Harvest By: kvjayan | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:22:46 PM Reply | Forward The proud native Americans have been rounded up in reservations to be shown as touristic objects of curiosity ("Indians") to the white American kids. Whether they were hunting, killing each other was not the Christian white man's business. BTW, during the I and II world wars, people who were merrily killing each other were mainly the white christians. As for the German christians, they did help a little bit in stabilising the world population during the II world war, by some neat cleansing operation, is it not?

you mean...By: R | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:46:19 PM Reply | Forward are you saying Hitler was a Christian ??!!!

blind to anything good.By: Nav` | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 20:04:03 PM Reply | Forward what is your problem if people want to change thier faith.. is that harming you in any way.. or have they started drinking and dancing.. show the problem created by this conversion. These downtrodden people are getting a better life..you have not provided them this some else is doing it. Why dont you atleast keep quiet.Everyone knows the only reason this political agenda of hindutva is being brought up is to make advani the PM. And you are supporting this becouse you get to kill rape or destroy people you are jealous of. YOu are the sect of the society who are anti-social.YOu are the remorseless ruthless people no less than the goons who kill people for money.THe only difference is you are behind a computer but still incite hatred and violence in people.

good pointBy: Rakesh | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:07:29 PM Reply | Forward - dude, you are sitting behind a computer and typing all these anti Christian slogans, because you studied in a Christian school, working in a multinational Christian company that is paying you salary in Christian dollars. HAH ! so leave all this Christian things and go live on a tree,

judge itBy: raj | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 16:07:58 PM Reply | Forward I know that majority of christians do not like conversion like this, especially christians from mangalore, who have had a certain class in society, but all this conversion activity has been started by the pentacostal church, who are the radicals in christanity, the govt should have a check on this, if they dont conver there wont be voilence like this, and the people mostly in mangalore and other parts dont know where is pentacost, what is roman catholic, marthoma, protentan

Attack on ChruchBy: Lingappa | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 15:17:12 PM Reply | Forward REspected Sangeetha madam, it would be better not to justify the things. I just want to know these chrstian missinaories create problem from there end. when the tings goes beyond control, they called there Kaka in Itlay, In India (Mrs.madam) and other so called suedu secular brigade. Am I right? What heppend in Khandhmal (orisa), How many chenel refenct/ sjow the real problem. How many of us knows that, these Chrstian missinaories kileed our beloved Swami laxmanandaji in orisa. Have u seen any documentary on him. Certainly no, but you might have seen Arushi.... Arushi... Arushi.... The real problem tis that because in our state fisrt time BJP came to power. it is a well planned conspiracy against our leader Ydurapaji. he is very nice person. he will give a biffiting reply so called seller of Chrstianity. Theose are indulge selling there relegion like vegetables. Am I right?

yedurappa inciting violenceBy: Nav | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 19:58:36 PM Reply | Forward Yedurappa was the one who incited the violence. Now he says we wil fight angainst the anti-communal people.He was the one who started the fire against christianity.. And dear brainless lingappa..INdia has 1 billion people.. not everything is run by Sonia gandhi.Everyone knows the hatred you harbour against christian even if they have never done any harm to the society or you.You are just looking for some fun time where you can kick and kill people with people behind you where you can hide.

God save our country.By: Sangeetha | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 17:07:42 PM Reply | Forward Mr Lingappa Dont confuse the happening in Mangalore with that of the happenings in Orissa.Christians here in Mangalore run educational institutes, hospitals and many charitable institutes and people here of Mangalore have alot of respect for that.But the people involved in conversion here are only a particular sect called New Life.Yes I have heard about the death of the swamiji and his 4 disciples. My sincere and heartfelt condolence for the loss of your beloved Swami Laxmianandaji, I hope the people responsible for his death and the death of his disciple will be punished. And lastly I Hope Arushi's soul rests in peace where ever she is.

attachk on church - LingappaBy: Rakesh | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 16:46:08 PM Reply | Forward Mr. Lingappa, by your spelling /grammatical mistakes i understand you have had very little education. Why is it that it is people like you, half boiled/half educated who do all this ? when the Maoists have come out in the open to claim they killed Swami, it looks like a conspiracy , to blame the Christians. Tell me, do the Christians have goondas or use force, guns and tell you people to join them ? when you say forcible conversion, what is the force used ? this is just a propaganda against Christians. You would not dare do this to Muslims as they will kick your rear end should you touch one of them

Maoist killed Swami?By: Manish | Wednesday , 17 Sep '08 1:41:04 AM Reply | Forward Rakesh, can you point me to the authoritative location where it shows that Maoist claimed responsibility of the Swami? Based on the news report it seems that Maoist denied their role in Swamis killing.

conversionBy: Lingppa | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 17:53:07 PM Reply | Forward I am staying in Orisa. What sort of nonsence things you are talking. If you have guts please come and see what these missionaries are doing in the name of religion in the tribal region. Swamiji was an obstackle and hurdles for these so called foreign chrstian missionaries in that region. Then next you told half educated, what does it mean. I think you are only learned person in this world.Why you have given you fake name on behest on chrstian missionray works in India.You want evidence . Come to me and i will provide ample of evidence with individuals along with vedo, material.we dont need any sort of certificate. You just ruined very fabric of hindu soceity.You people are dancing with western money and mussele powers. Nothing else. Who is pope vendict to dictact our internal matter.Why this gentle man will interfere our interanl metter of India. We know why it is happening, becuase you type of people. We hindus will fight dwan to dusk for our very culture. Mind it.

hehehBy: Rakesh | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:13:28 PM Reply | Forward dude - dont touch that computer anymore. it was made in a Christian country.who is interfering in Indian matter. first catch the actual terrorists. if you want to save india, then go to kashmir and fight instead of attacking people who will not fight back. If you are a person who you claim you are, a good patriotic indian, then go an fight in Kashmir against the militants. else keep quite.

Learn lingappa learnBy: nav | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 20:09:50 PM Reply | Forward Truth is always bitter. True India citizens know the difference between the lies you are telling and the truth.. what you are creating is s propoganda created by BJP VHP and RSS. RSS runs on the lines of the NAZI- ideology of hitler. Advani and his gang of leaders and inciting the unrest in the peaceful land of India for thier political gains. You LINGAPPA are a TOOL in their hand. A puppet.And Just for your uninformed mind. Not all the churches in india dance in western money there and hundreds who do not accept any money from outside other than their own members. Your are nothign but a common criminal.

Lingappa..By: Rakesh | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:25:10 PM Reply | Forward ...is from Karnataka and claims he lives in Orissa ....he sends these messages form a cyber cafe

Lingappa...By: Rakesh | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 21:34:02 PM Reply | Forward ...you should stop talking in English. it was a language the British used and the missionaries use. so maybe you want to consider using a native indian language ?Dude - what i am trying to show you is there is so much here and in you that is global. yet you choose to ignore everything. Do you know why india has grown so much ? why Indians are prefered for software jobs over other nations ? our country has grown so much because we speak english and are open to many cultures. To survive we need to change. if you dont change you will be left behind and eventually trampled over. or the advanced cultures will put you as "endangered species". its people like you who keep india from progress by claiming you want to "keep your culture" . if you are attacking Christians and burning churches, is that your culture ? is this what is being taught to you as your culture ? dude that culture was wiped out in the 16th century. in the 21st century, people sit together around a table and talk things out. so come out of your cave.

LINGAPPA LEARN THE TRUTHBy: anila | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 15:52:48 PM Reply | Forward It is very clear that it was not the Christians but the Maoists who killed the swami, remember the Maoists have risen mainly due to the unholy systems followed by Hindus like caste etc and ignorant people like you are also a bane to society in India

Please dont tear our country apart!By: Sangeetha | Tuesday , 16 Sep '08 15:11:24 PM Reply | Forward To add to our misery these blo*dy politicians are taking complete advantage of the situation. Other groups are also taking advantage to settle their own personal score wit each other and trying to make it look like it is a part of the riot. What happened in the past to our ancestors are unforgettable but how can we keep holding onto the past and take it out on the present generation and we know the consequences of the whole thing will lead to future disharmony among our children who will again have to live together. I would like to be proud of our country and see people as Indians of different faiths united but all I see is hatred and disharmony and it suddenly hurts to be an Indian.

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