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BJP scents a glue, Kalyan a job application

New Delhi: When Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha L K Advani stood up on Monday to react to the contents of the Liberhan Commission report first revealed by The Indian Express, he recalled the statement that has come to define the ambiguity in the relationship of the man with the movement. “After thi ....Read more

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Liberhan seems to have done good to BJPBy: K.C. Sharma | Saturday , 28 Nov '09 13:28:57 PM Reply | Forward The report loses credibility by not saying anything about the role of PVN Rao.Shekhar Gupta in his write-up has tried to fill the gap.Rao feared a blood-bath if he dismissed Kalyan Singh or tried to stop people from gathering there.What all this means is that what happened that day was inevitable as lakhs of people had gathered there, they were all charged up to do something. The likes of Kashif will be better advised not to belittle those who have the capability to carry out such unprecedented mobilization.And not to demonize it also. It has been proved by archaeological excavations that the mosque was built at the site of a demolished temple, it is no use saying that Islam does not allow a mosque to be built over a demolished temple or any other place of worship.This can only mean that those who did this like Aurangzeb and Mir Baqi and many more barbarians were not Muslims, they should be declared as Kafirs. And to question the Hindu faith on Ram is preposterous, utterly insensitive.

Indian americanBy: Kuriakose Pulikeel | Thursday , 26 Nov '09 18:29:00 PM Reply | Forward Show the real culture and nature of India as the head quarters of spirituality. Each person and group Confess for any evil done by him/ it against others, Pardon any ill treatment received and Reconcile (Confess, Pardon Reconcile- CPR)CPR is required to restore the life of the nation What is to be built in Ayodya is a DEVALAYA where GOD will be present at all times in all forms that man can think of. It should be a structure with eight halls extending outward from eight sides of an Octagon to represent ASHTA DICKS. One hall should be a temple, one a mosque, one a Church, one a synagogue, one for Jains and so on . Ayodya should become a pilgrimage center for all religions that lead to God and that is Hinduism, Islam Christianity and all. Forget differences. the world is moving fast and the south Asians should lead. It is time to fix foot on the banks of Indus civilization and extend hands beyond the stars. Do not waste time

Let science ans thisBy: Ash | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 15:10:03 PM Reply | Forward Was there a temple on that site? If there was then it can be proved scientifically using radars, excavations and other techniques. If it cannot be proved scientifically then mosque should be rebuilt or else temple should be allowed. Muslim rulers often use to destroy other place of worship and built mosque over there. How many people know that there was mosque built on top of Somnath temple as well. Sardar Patel, Ranjendra prasad (first Pres), K.M.Munshi (Union minister) moved the mosque and got the temple build to compensate for injustice done to Hindus. And sadly only person who opposed was Nehru

let science ans thisBy: ramesh | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 22:05:04 PM Reply | Forward with ref to your opinion i am to add here that nehru was real culprit as matter of fact he was the architect of present chaos pervailing in this country,sadly we still keepon going like an idiot following and praising this bloody family.

Illegal ConstructionsBy: JC Mulla | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 14:43:35 PM Reply | Forward All Churches and Mosques in India are illegal... No one asked Muslims or Christians to come to India and build their stupid structures from where activities of terrorism are carried out. The faith of a Christian and a Muslim is in Mecca/ Rome... We do not need people with faith alien to India

I am sorry RamBy: sivaprakasam | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 12:17:04 PM Reply | Forward Ram born there in the site which have been demolished by Muslim ruler , and we need a temple for RAM , on hindu holi sites other religion things should not be allowed , if chirsts question it , ask them a permison to Build a mosque in vatican if muslims appose it , ask them a permison to build church in mecca all guys have secured their importent place of warship , not us

replyBy: Kashif | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 14:10:52 PM Reply | Forward Mr. sivaprakasam, what RSS is doing will only lead to destruction of India. India will go to the way of Yugoslavia & the toll on human life will be immense. My friend, let us learn from collective human history that a wrong can never be put right by another wrong. If Babur demolished a temple to build a Mosque, then he was wrong. Islam does not permit it. Although the evidence for Babur's act is hard to come by, equally hard it has been for historians to establish the existence of Rama, leave alone the claims of his birthplace. In contrast the Biblical and Quranic prophets have a proven historical existence. It is open for every intelligent mind to see that the demolition of Babri Masjid that happened in full view of the media (discounting the manhandling of media by the Kar Sevaks) and it still took 17 years to produce this shabby report and perpetrators could still deny their crime. RSS has a deep contempt for Indian Constitution. Disagreement to the constitution is another matter, which a sane person or party can amend by democratic process. Contempt is a serious issue and this is what RSS did, it took the law into its own hands like a petty criminal. The law should be applied to RSS and affiliates in the same manner as it was applied to SIMI and more recently, in a rather mild manner, to Varun Gandhi for stoking communal disturbance. It is a litmus test for Indian constitution and judicial system. But, my friend, its already too late and justice is already denied to those who were killed as a result of actions of RSS & co. on December 6, 1992. If Rama really exist and as he is regarded to be epitome of manhood, he must be ashamed by these Ram Bhakts.

Need to study HinduismBy: AJAY | Wednesday , 9 Dec '09 8:14:11 AM Reply | Forward Dear Kashif, You wrote a big letter but my friend your knowledge of Hinduism is zero. If something cannot be proved that does not mean it is not existed. Secondly that was never a mosque. It was just a babri building and should have demolished long time ago, I was wondering why it took so many years after independence. RSS is the only organisation which serves the community in all kind of disasters. The problem of India is not RSS or BJP it just congress which is suppressing Hindus and trying to get minority votes. I hope of Hindus of all India unite and vote for BJP in next genreral elections. For you my friend please study History of India. thanks, Ajay

Reply-----By: romesh.sharma | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 16:45:54 PM Reply | Forward Mr.Kashif,What RSS is doing is to save Indian from treacherous forces which are all bent to destroy/disintegrate India ..It was these forces who divided the nation and are still exisiting and flourishing under anti-Nation regime of Congress supported by selfish pseudo-seculars.There is no question of Ifs and its factual that Babar had demolished Ram-Temple and built a mosque on the site.There was/is enough evidence which is manipulated by congress to use as political instrument to win muslim votes.What Babar did was an act to impose Islamic supermecy like Islam did every where they went on this globe.One must go through past history of India without bias and prejudice which will tell how many Hindu Temples and other holy places were destroyed,how many innocent people were forced to convert failing that were executed.It might have been hard for Historians to establish facts about Lord Ram's existence because it is too long a time,much before the people could keep or had a system to keep exact times like Vedas and many other scriptures and deities.Moreover it mattr of faith of around one billion people.There are still contraversies about Jesus' exact birth-place and time.Old Testament says different to New and there in too Gospel of Mathew is contradictory to Gospel of Luke.The same goes with Mmohammad(self-proclaimed Prophet).There is lot different stories though he was born in a time when men could ascertain and record the timings of events.RSS respects constitution but wants drastic amendments because its nomore compatible to the existing times.They want equality for all and no special treatments/statuses to any community or creed.It those paragraphs and the divisive policies which create animosity among people.Is it not that the Word SECULAR came into constitution after amendment in 1976?SIMI and most muslim Orgs and league itself is anti-constitution and are the real danger for today's India.Why there has to be Islamic Law in a country which is socalled SECULAR!.Muslims must clean their minds and use/practice their religion with the kind of propagated philosophy of peace and they have nothing to tell or preach Hindus /RS etc for its they who still respect and consider values of those who are apparently disturbing the harmony and peace in the nation.The only thing one can agree is killing of innocent people irrespective who/what they were.To take life which only God gives is greatest sin-a devlish act.Lord Ram Exists deep in the minds of Hindus and will exist till last Hindu lives(moreover there are muslim converts in Indonesia who still celebrate RamLila and have faith in Rmayana).My suggestion Hindus could desolve RSS if muslims finish with Muslim-League and Muslim Laws.If Islam is really religion of Peace then Allah and must be highly preturbed and feel guilty of sending Prophet who failed to keep his words to that Almighty for ignorance of his followers.

Liberhan ReportBy: Varind | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 12:15:08 PM Reply | Forward 17 years and 48 extensions and still the report is based on the assumptions and fictions. The report says that bureaucrats, police officials colluded with Kalyan Singh and were ineffective. Who colluded with whom to complete report for 17 years with 48 extensions, people would like to know.Besides, "Who is the Black Sheep for leaking it and insulting the parliament"?. Mentioning name of Mr.Vajpayee who was never called to appear before Liberhan Commission itself proves that report is a trash and timing is a ploy to divert publ;ic attention from core issues like soaring prices, lawlessness and threat to nation's security. Nevertheless, this report will be a blessing in disguise for RSs Parivar to close ranks and as far Vajpayee's name appearing in report on assumptions, Mr.Vajpayee should sue the commission in the court of law for irreparable damage done to his image.

All Indians should stick to temples mosques are not part of our culture its Arab thing!By: Aiesha | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 11:13:47 AM Reply | Forward All the citizens of India should support in building Temples where ever the Temple were Built on them,there are 3200 Mosqueswhi ch were built ontemples destroyed by the FOREIGNER INVADERS. This mosque religion is no where compatible to our culture ,it is a Arab thing and they brought nothing but misery to this country ,see how afganisthan and pakisthan are now an no one welcomes the people of those countries all over the world ,hope India wont turn that way. Arab-s never help peoplke of either India or pakisthan ,all they were interested in was to convert them and now they dont help them in any way ...NO ARAB COUNTRIES GIVE ASYLUM to any troubled AFGANIS AND PAKIS..so think about it...These ctry's were so at peace when they were under BUDDHIST RULE...SO STOP SUPPORTING A FOREIGN SECT

double standardsBy: Deepak | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 11:06:31 AM Reply | Forward Yet again, the famous Indian double standard. Disregard for human life, contempt for law and Constitution are fine, even patriotic when practiced by the RSS, but anti-national when practiced by Maoists. Now instead of genuine heart-searching, they will yet again denounce all their critics as anti-Hindu. The RSS should discard its hateful ideology, and realise that Hindu Rashtra and Akhand Bharat are mutually contradictory ideals. You can't have the one without compromising the other. That's why Jinnah and Savarkar both upheld the Two-Nation theory. Hindutva is the Maoism of the elite. Stop the violence, get over the hatred and learn to speak truthfully. Ahimsa parmo dharm

The goons last sigh....By: Jem Hassan | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 10:33:37 AM Reply | Forward Now the picture of BJP/RSS goons is clear. They will unite for anything that destroys our nation. They would never do anything to unite Indians but divide and exploit them for their political mileage. This is really a shame for the entire country that we have such politicians talking in the language of criminals and quite apathetic of what they have done. It was after Babri Majid demolition that the country witnessed large number of communal riots. 1000s of innocents have been dead. Seeds of communal hatred bred in many hearts . The whole system has maligned by these goons just for their political vested interests. There is not a single contribution of RSS/Sangh Parivar in our freedom fight. Today they claim to be true nationalists and saviours of Hindus after committing the crimes against the humanity and interest of common Indians. These goons never had any language of progress but hatred and divide. If we don't recognise the true colours of these anti-Indians, we will perish..

Emitting hate and antipathy----By: romesh.sharma | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 14:31:55 PM Reply | Forward Hey hold your breath it stinks when you exhale what to talk of speaking a word out.Goons are people of your sort who have inflicted the whole Indian society with hate and animosity through radicalism and fanaticsm taught by your faith.you never try to understand all that is good but has some kind of negative effect on your selfish interests like reservations,quotas and other appeasements which give too much freedom and liberty.That is what you guys are getting from congress led Govt while contrary to that BJP/RSS wants equality for all irrespective of religion or creed but you guys have fears to lose those comforts being given/bestowed by treacherous Congies and pseudo-seculars.This is shame and disgusting for creatures like you have so much freedom and living in this country though it had been divided for your sort could move to/with those who had the same mind-set.Demolition of Babri is being exaggeratedly propagated by Congress while there are many other such structures and masjids must have been destroyed.Its Hindu religion and culture that force them to remain considerate and respect all religions and their values but when the things go beyond limits such things do happen.Can you or anyone of your sort tell me how old Lord Krishna's Birth-Place Temple is;and why a masjid is/was built absolutely adjacent to it?It was/is all a show of supermecy which infact is the reson of inferiority complex caused by irrelavent preaching of Islam.People on this subcontinent had been fighting with each other for many reasons but conflicts and massacres in the name of religion have come with Islam and Christianity.Look into past History and you will know its muslims who have misused trust and hospitality/generousity of Hindus.Again I ask you and those who always yammer that RSS/BJP has not contributed to freedom-fight which will tell that without this power no Congress or no Gandhi could ever get independence.It wasn't mere peaceful movement of Mahatama Gandhi and others who claim to be freedom-fighters but those martyrs who died young in this struggle.These opportunists were power-hungry waiting for their chance while the real power behind gave/sacrificed their lives without any greed,not even for their name.Congress,after independence,has turned into most evil group of special people who are playing dirty game of dividing the people even at the cost of life and land.their policies are contrary to what was hoped and wished by peace-loving populace.Yes,its true the Party manes might have changed but these are and will ever remain true hearted patriots,nationalists and are saviours of Bharat and Hindus.Don't you worry Hindus have well recognized,realized and known the true colours of fanatics still exisiting in our country.India without you and your sort,some of them are Hindus too,will be most peaceful amicable country on the earth.With every word you guys are emitting hate and antipathy and purposefully/knowingly refuse to accept/recognize the truth.

replyBy: viv | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 11:00:53 AM Reply | Forward Mr.hassan is not aware of the History. It is unfair to comment that there is no contribution from RSS during the freedom struggle. The selfless service of this organization has saved the country from anarchy and cultural disintegration. Please visit a RSS shakha to understand RSS. Do not speak of an organization being the largest voluntary organization in the world. Are all the members fools to joint RSS of what you say is right. It was the Muslim league that did not participate in the freedom movement , but instead petitioned the British Government to provide for separate electorate. This we can say was seed to disintegration of India. It was RSS which opposed the division. Please evaluate for your self who is to blame

history and sefllessnessBy: Deepak | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 14:31:45 PM Reply | Forward Viv, of course the RSS has done selfless service. So have the Maoists, Muslim League, Shiv Sena, MNS, etc. In life, good and bad often go together. It's the hatred and violence that is objectionable. It's not only the League that upheld the hateful idea of two nations. Here is VD Savarkar at the Ahmedabad session of the Hindu Mahasabha in 1937: "India cannot be assumed today to be a Unitarian and homogenous nation, but on the contrary there are two nations in the main: the Hindus and the Moslems in India." Thats why RSS and Muslim League fall in the same category, despite whatever social service they might do..

RSS and its contribution...By: Jem Hassan | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 17:19:52 PM Reply | Forward It was ridiculous and unreasonable to say that RS had any contributions in our freedom struggle. They did nothing to get freedom nor they can name a single freedom fighter from their group who shed his blood for our nation.They always kept away from Gandhi and his struggle and induced him to back them for a Hindu Rashtra.He refused and their disciple, Godse killed him with the blessing of RSS and Savarkar. Dont forget he was involved in the conspiracy to kill him. Dont be a fool by saying that RSS contributed anything for this nation. Give us one proof...one historical evidence for such claims!

What is needed is Ram -RotiBy: Tathagata Mukherjee | Wednesday , 25 Nov '09 10:17:28 AM Reply | Forward Let Kalyan, Uma all unite, rejoin BJP and make it a party of the governance in UP again. KALYAN IS GOOGLE TIMES BETTER THAN NEHRU GANDHI DYNASTY.

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