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Sunday, April 26, 1998

"If the govt falls, we will not allow a political vacuum"

 
April 25: The recently concluded general elections mark Sharad Pawar's comeback as a Congress leader of substance. However, Sonia Gandhi's takeover of the Congress Party has condemned him to playing second fiddle as long as she is around. But being the shrewd pragmatist that he is, Pawar has gamely plunged into Operation Congress Revival, realising perhaps that all said and done, half a loaf is better than none. The Leader of the Opposition spoke to ARATI R. JERATH. Excerpts:

  • There is a perception that the Vajpayee Government is surviving despite its internal pulls and pressures because the Congress is not ready to step in with an alternative government.

    That is right. Our priority at the moment is to revive the Congress Party. We need the maximum time possible to rebuild our organisation, especially in the Hindi belt.

  • But what happens if the government falls under the weight of its own contradictions?

    Then we will not allow a vacuum. We have no intention of destabilising theGovernment. The country wants stability and in the larger national interest, we will keep away from the toppling game. But if the Government collapses on its own, then we will have to see how to save Parliament. The country cannot afford elections every few months.

  • Will the Congress be ready to lead a government in such a scenario?

    We will have to see what to do.

  • So, essentially, you would like this government to discredit itself fully before you move in?

    I would not like to use the word discredit. But the people should get an opportunity to see what this government is like. An atmosphere was created by the media and the middle class that Atalji should form the next government. Now let us see how they run it, what their administrative capacity is.

  • CPI(M) general secretary Harkishan Singh Surjeet has talked of forming an alternative to the BJP of which the Congress and the Left parties would be members. Do you feel that the Left and the Congress can come together given theircontradictions in Kerala and West Bengal?

    In today's situation, it is possible, but only at the national level, not at the state level.

  • You have seen many leaders during your political career. What do you think is Sonia Gandhi's distinctive characteristic?

    Let us look at the state of the Congress Party prior to her decision to campaign in the elections. The workers were totally demoralised under Kesri's leadership, nobody was enthusiastic, nobody was talking, nobody was comfortable. Mrs. Gandhi has succeeded in enthusing the Congress workers by establishing herself as a crowd-puller. The sections of society which were our traditional support base but had moved away, like the minorities, the weaker sections and women, are now coming back to us because of her.

  • How has she evolved over the past four months that she has been playing an active role in politics?

    She has taken total responsibility of the party. She is ready to spend 15 to 16 hours a day working for the party. She sits in theparty office everyday and is available to everybody. Party workers can talk to her and interact with her. She is trying to understand the political and social picture of each state. Her approach is result-oriented.

  • Has her entry stopped infighting in the Congress party?

    Yes. The desertions have stopped and the infighting has lessened.

  • So you are saying that the Congress needs the Dynasty to keep it alive?

    The Congress needs a leader with wider acceptability both in the party and among the masses throughout India. We have to accept today that she is the person who fulfills both criteria.

  • Do you think that coalition politics is here to stay or do you feel that the country may see single-party rule again?

    Coalition politics may continue for a few years but ultimately, we will move towards a two-party system with the Congress firmly established as a left-of-centre part wedded to secular ideals and the BJP as a right-wing Hindu party. The people of this country are nationalist and theywant the nation as a whole to progress. Unfortunately, the aspirations of the people were neglected by the national parties which gave a momentum to the growth of regional forces. We have to correct that.

  • Do you think that the Congress should try and co-opt regional forces like Mulayam Singh Yadav and Laloo Yadav? After all, once upon a time, you were also in the opposition but today, you are a Congress leader.

    There is a difference. I was part of the Congress party till it split in 1969. Although I did not join Indira Gandhi, when the people accepted her party as the real Congress, we decided to merge with the Congress (I).

    Mulayam Singh and Laloo Yadav are traditionally anti-Congress leaders. They are anti-Congress by habit. All their rallies start with anti-Congress slogans. They may be diluting this now but their anti-Congressism has not been fully diluted.

  • So you do not see a tie-up between the Congress and regional parties?

    The problem is that in many states, the dispute is betweenthe Congress and the regional parties. Ultimately, I sincerely feel that we have to revive our own party. The country needs strong state governments but it also needs a strong Union government. For this, a national party is necessary.

    We should get back to the good old days of the Congress. We have to do this to keep the country together. And my generation has to take the responsibility for this. I am not a product of the freedom movement. But we have enjoyed the fruits of freedom because of the Congress. Now we have to give our time to rebuild the party.

  • What will your strategy be for the coming budget session?

    We will concentrate on some ministries. Our approach will be two-fold. If a decision is pragmatic and in the national interest to revive the economy and improve the investment climate, there we will cooperate with the Government. But if in the name of the National Agenda, the government tries to implement typical BJP programmes which will lead to fascism, we will have to oppose them.

    Copyright © 1998 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.



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