
Shekhar Gupta: But is the responsibility with the CBI leadership which is basically police officers or politics?
J S Verma: Well it’s like this I am one who with lapse of time of course the politicians are to blame but I blame them less for example if I as a judge goes wrong and a politician takes advantage of me well he is at fault but I think I am more at fault
Shekhar Gupta: He’s a politician; he has to take advantage of situations
J S Verma: It’s only a statesman and I am sorry to say at least I don’t see any statesmen around.
Shekhar Gupta: In politics. Sir, since Havalah judgment happened almost 11-10 years ago, take us back a little bit and tell us how you had tried to institutionalise CBI’s independence.
J S Verma: Well it was like this, there was of course a general perception and a growing feeling for good reason whenever there was accusation based on reasonable grounds which everyone believed to be true and it involved people in our positions who had some sort of power then the CBI would drag its feet and nothing would happen and statistics were made up of only taking small bribes etc.
Shekhar Gupta: If you see the CBI website it is very sad that they proudly talk about running a 5000 Rs sting on some station master somewhere
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