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    Justice Katju’s reported association of a beard with Talibanisation was a reminder of how over-determined conceptions of particular communities can be, abstracting away from complexities of identity, belief and signification. This over-determination has frozen our politics in a time-warp. The very enunciations of the collective categories “Hindu” or “Muslim” trap us. Even well-meaning attempts to complicate them simply enforce their binary opposition, providing further grist for the mill of those who see community relations only in competitive terms: who receives more? Whose hurt is more justified? Whose fundamentalism poses a threat?

    Even the invocation of secularism is often a pretext for flogging one’s own favourite hobby horses rather than a real defence of first principles. Justice Katju’s associations were, in my opinion, scary and ad hominem. What would it feel like if a judge collapsed a choti or tilak into a marker of fundamentalism? Would driving individuals who sported, from a pedagogical point of view, harmless markers, into separate institutions be better for integration and lessons for learning to live with difference? Secularism, like communalism, is no longer a first principles debate; it is a pretext for forcing issues where none exist. The only two interpretations of secularism that are current in India are deeply warped: secularism as erasure of identity, or secularism as communal parity. Neither interpretation has room for the core meaning: secularism is about the freedom of individuals to make of themselves what they will; it is about making “identity” irrelevant to politics, not about its enforced erasure.

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    Spot OnBy: Kochu Thampy | 09-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward The judge is quite right in his insistence on respect for institutional rules that do not violate the constitution. The comment about Talibanisation was quite unnecessary. Think of a Muslim school which insists on girl students covering their head with a scarf. This judgment protects the right of that school to have and enforce that rule.
    Identity MarkerBy: Ghulam Muhammed | 07-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward Pratap Bhanu Mehta's identification and diagnosis of the problem is timely; but he has no clear practical and positive solution to solve the problem, without inflicting grave risk to the patient. Muslims to regain their mainstream position, without having to be identified as a minority, would require affirmative action from the same people that have reduced Muslims to the lowliest status in the polity. The problem is with the Brahminical mindset, which by force of ingrained pathological complexes, creates castes, groups, divisions as the means to divide and rule. It is only when they are removed from power, that some initiatives can be put into place to restore the country to a healthy pluralist society where all are equal. Fortunately that process is on.
    beards and schoolsBy: Prabha Devi | 07-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward Pratap Bhanu Mehta's argument vis-a-vis Justice Katju's remarks is specious. Perhaps ana analogy will help him understand the point. Murli Manohar Joshi wanted Saraswati Vandana in schools. The cry "saffronization!" went up. One may rhetorically ask: is singing the praise of Saraswati saffronization? Of course not. It is in insisting on singing it schools is. Likewise, Katju did not mean to say that sporting a beard itself is Talibanization. He said that the insistence on wearing it in the school in contravention of the (Christian) school's rules is. It's unfortunate how his words are being twisted by even intelligent people like Mr Mehta.
    TaggingBy: AK | 07-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward The tagging or segregation strategy of Congress and Communists is not restricted to Muslims. They want poor of this country to remain poor and uneducated to remain uneducated. Without the tagging they have no chance of winning elections. Muslims are the easiest pray. Some Muslims are struggling between the push/pull of joining the mainstream and enjoying the benefits of minority appeasement. It's them who have to decide whether to remain in the deep minority well or enjoy the freedom of provided by democracy. BJP can not help them as Muslims rarely vote BJP. Congress and Communists will not help them as part of their strategy.
    Minority Appeasement - A MythBy: Ali | 07-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward Give one benefit of Minority appeasement? As I understand, reservations in jobs benefit the larger Hindu soiety because SC or ST or OBC's are generally Hindus.
    A trap which we all fallBy: MVL Sridhar | 07-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward Ali Bhai, this is the trap which generations of Indians are falling in to. Now is the time to ask for more and better schools, vocational institutions and the like. Now think 15 Years from now government Jobs shall be a tiny portion of the total jobs in this country (this is a fact even today). If we insist on better education now it should hardly matter who gets the low paying and low motivating government jobs. Do you think SC/ST/OBC consider themselves uplifted classes even after the reservations? My Ans: No. So why will Muslims be any different? Fact is Dr Abdul Kalam, Azim Premji, AR Rehman and so many others are products of the setup where there are absolutely no reservations.
    Identity MarkersBy: Arun | 07-Apr-2009 Reply | Forward Justice Katju’s associations were, in my opinion, scary and ad hominem. What would it feel like if a judge collapsed a choti or tilak into a marker of fundamentalism? By the way, this is also an example of seeking communal parity, which the author has decried. The observations of the Ld. Judge are absolutely spot on. It is not the markers themselves which become talibanization or not, but certainly the intention with which these markers are being promoted smacks of the phenomenon correctly identified as Talibanization
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