•Shekhar Gupta: This is the power of a leader with transferable votes.

Ram Vilas Paswan: Those leaders who have a transferable vote are the real leaders.

•Shekhar Gupta: And by this criteria the weakest are the BJP and Congress, both don’t have transferable votes

Ram Vilas Paswan: That I can’t say

•Shekhar Gupta: You can say that about the BJP atleast because if you enter a coalition with them, as Mayawati always makes the case against allying with them since she says that the BJP and Congress votes are not transferable but the local leader or caste leader’s vote is transferable.

Ram Vilas Paswan: But the transferability of Mayawati’s vote is confined to UP. Apart from UP she is struggling to get votes so where is the question of it being transferable? Whatever results have been there whether in the Assembly or LS..

•Shekhar Gupta: But even then in UP it is transferable.

Ram Vilas Paswan: Yes, it is so in UP, her caste vote is transferable.

•Shekhar Gupta: What kind of a government do you think will be formed this time around? Will it again be a government where parties with 3, 4, 5 seats will have a lot of clout and the government will be formed on the basis of a transferable vote? Adding up small numbers to achieve the big one..

Ram Vilas Paswan: The situation that is prevailing will by and large continue . The UPA will form the government, NDA is far from being in the reckoning since if a body is headless, it has no significance.

... contd.