Muslim intelligentsia distances itself from fatwa

Agencies Tags : Vande Mataram, fatwa, All India Muslim Personal Law Board, Salman Khursheed Posted: Sunday , Nov 08, 2009 at 1135 hrs Lucknow:

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Distancing itself from the 'fatwa' against Muslims singing 'Vande Mataram', a section of the intelligentsia on Sunday said there was a need to educate the community about the actual meaning of the lone "objectionable" word 'vande' in order to remove doubts over its rendition.

Last week, Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind at its annual meet in Deoband opposed singing of the national song by Muslims. Vice President of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board and eminent scholar Maulana Kalbe Sadiq called for a debate among Hindi litterateurs to define the word 'Vande' used in the song which forms the basis on which it has been termed been as being against their religion.

Sadiq said that he was ready to accept the contention of Minority Affairs Minister Salman Khursheed that the National Song had been approved by Maulana Azad on whose suggestions some words were removed.

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"If the word Vande stands for respect and showing reverence to the motherland, then Muslims have no ground to object to it and it is for the litterateurs and knowledge persons of Sanskrit, Urdu and Hindi to sit down and debate over it so that the misconceptions about the same can be removed," Sadiq said.

He stressed that if the word stands for "worship" it is technically unacceptable for Muslims who cannot worship anyone other than the almighty. Sadiq said there were important issues like illiteracy, unemployment and poverty which need to be taken up by everyone, including the ulemas.

Echoing similar views, president of the All India Shia Personal Law Board, Maulana Mirza Mohammad Athar also questioned the timing of the fatwa which he claimed could ignite communal passions.

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FatwaBy: Surjeet | 10-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward It is indeed a happy moment for our democratic country that Fatwa has been ignored by our brothers. God for the country, and good for them. Things like Fatwa has no place in India, and it should be removed from the dictionary once for all.

What is intelligensia ?By: sangeeta | 09-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward Intelligentsia ,secular,intellectual are the words are simply the words used by the people who wish to keep their place noncontroversial,will these same intelligentsia,or intellectuals debate whether the Quran is the word of God

I ask Hindu Brothers to read the last verses of Vande mataram and see the Hindu goddess based meaning, hence against the pure monotheism of MuslimsBy: shafi ahmed | 09-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward %u201CThou art knowledge, thou art conduct, thou art heart, thou art soul,for thou art the life in our body.In the arm thou art might, O Mother,In the heart, O Mother, thou art love and faith,It is thy image we raise in every temple%u201D %u201CFor thou art Durga holding her ten weapons of war, Kamala at play in the lotuses%u201D %u201CAnd speech, the goddess, giver of all lore, to thee I bow! I bow to thee, goddess of wealth, pure and peerless, Richly-watered, richly-fruited, the Mother! I bow to thee, other, dark-hued, candid,Sweetly smiling, jeweled and adorned,%u201D

MonotheismBy: KVSKumar | 09-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward If monotheism that sacrosanct, then why on on Haj. Every pebble of universe if His creation and He is everywhere. One place of country has no particular significance for Him.

A stone structure at macca or a stone idol in a temple is insignificant in terms of divinity, God is love and charityBy: aqmamin | 10-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward Haj has a different significance, the Temple at Kaaba is just a stone structure, like any other stone structure or a stone idol, there is no living divinity in stones whether in Mecca or in Ramjanmabumi or Kasi. The Muslim haj shows the unity and internationalism of Islam, it is a religious rite that smashes the discrimination and the sort of apartheid that exists in caste based Hinduism, everyone rich and poor the ruler and the ruled worship one God at one place rubbing shoulder to shoulder (the place happened to be the first temple built in the Middle east) wearing a cotton white cloth and do the utmost sacrifice, that is when it comes to submission to the will of one True Almighty God, one sacrifices even his intelligence. In terms of defending Islam, Haj is a military exercise able to mobilise 20-30 million people at one place( you need a central place, Islam chose Mecca)who will be in future ready to fight in self-defence against the enemies of One True God Almighty

Fierst Two Stanzas of VM song is okay, the rest worships goddess DurgaBy: shafi ahmed | 09-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward The controversy over the song is not new. In 1937 the Indian National Congress discussed at length the status of the song. It was pointed out then that though the first two stanzas began with an unexceptionable evocation of the beauty of the motherland, in later stanzas there are references where the motherland is likened to the Hindu goddess Durga. Therefore, the Congress decided to adopt only the first two stanzas as the national song. To this day the national song of India consists of only these first two stanzas of Vande Mataram, along with the national anthem Jana Gana Mana and Saare Jahan Se Accha.

What comes first Nation or Religion.....2By: Anil Kohli | 09-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward 8.Would it be acceptable to the Union Government if some Sadhus and Sants gave a clarion call for construction of a temple or prohibiting an act or performance to the member of their community?9. Where is all this going to end and when?10. When are we going to activate the process of healing?11. Winning election and garnering votes more important than unity of this Nation.The door has been prized open for further such fatwas towards other national symbols, should this not be nipped now, the price exacted could be far heavier. What would the Government do incase this religious group was to demand that the passports issued to them should be written in Urdu?Did the very Congress perform its duty of protecting the minority group in 1984 when there were large scale killings on the street of Delhi between 1st to the 3rd of Nov? Is this duty enshrined in the constitution of India? What are the duties of the minorities? Where are they enumerated?

The Laws of God come first, the nation later.By: iqbalmiran | 10-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward What comes first nation or religion? Can you answer the question if a Muslim asks you what comes first, the Laws of God or the Laws of humans? There is a duality of man; he is a member of the religious community and a member of the nation. A Hindu living in England is a Hindu by religion and a British by citizen. Can you ask the Hindu to totally ignore his religion and throw it away to become a jingoist, narrow minded British? Same thing about Indian Muslims, Indian Muslims are very loyal to India(they proved it more than RSS leaders during the time of India%u2019s independence struggle), but their loyalty is qualified by the condition that they will obey the laws of India as long as the laws do not kill their Islam based monotheism. Once the future Hitlers compel them to ignore their monotheism, they will start the real struggle against such moves.In that respect, unequivocally we say that the Laws of God come first and we obey God first before considering obeying the culture based laws of a nation.

Nation or GodBy: sharad | 15-Nov-2009 Reply | Forward Dear friends, all views are not wrong however as suggested by someone earlier; we can look at first 2 stanza's of the song & all of us accept it. We are sons of the same soil & same country, let us move forward & not get separated by these ill meaning arguments. Jai Hind. Sharad

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