• But remember, Atalji had gone to Gujarat and talked about Raj Dharma. There was something to that talk also. There was an issue of Raj Dharma in what happened in Gujarat, wasn’t there?

Raj Dharma? Huh! What’s Raj Dharma? There is no such thing anywhere in the country. There is only one dharma, Muslim dharma. Nothing else.

• When Modi was the chief minister, he had to make sure that every citizen under his rule was safe. That’s Raj Dharm. He failed in that. Do you agree?

What mistake has Modi made? Can you tell me? When you are attacked, you have to retaliate, you can’t keep quiet. Who started the riots first there in Ahmedabad? Who attacked whom? First came the Godhra incident, that was also equally cruel, ugly. Then came Ahmedabad. People then retaliated.

• Are you saying that Muslims started the riots in Ahmedabad?

Yes, certainly.

• Not many people believe that. There are Hindu groups which have a different view on Godhra.

They were all kar sevaks in the train. They had nothing to do with politics. They were coming back from Ayodhya and they were attacked.

• And you think it is legitimate for people to retaliate like this and the state to look the other way?

Where is the question of legitimacy in this? They were all people, and people have feelings...

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