• Mobs and people are okay, but we are talking about the state and the chief minister.

What’s a mob? When people come together...that’s a mob.

• But it is the responsibility of the state to stop mob fury...

Gandhi was assassinated in 1948 by Godse. It happened in Delhi, but there were reactions not only in Maharashtra but also in Calcutta. What had all those Brahmins done (in other pasts of the country)? For one Brahmin (Godse), you blame all the Brahmins. The same way, what happened in Godhra had a fallout in other parts...

• So, are you saying that what happened in Gujarat was OK or will you at least accept that it was something that should not have happened?

I am not a Gandhian. What is violence or non-violence? You choose non-violence if it suits you, you take the fullest advantage of it. It is politics.

• Will you elaborate? I did not understand it.

What did you not understand?

• That when it suits you, you take the fullest advantage of it.

Yes, to save your face.

• Are you saying that Gandhi did that?

No. Gandhi was Gandhi. We are now all disciples or...

• But why do you say you are not a Gandhian?

Today, what’s going on is all Gandhigiri, it’s not out of any love of Gandhi. Rest assured, there are no real followers of Gandhi left in India.

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