• But what’s your disagreement with Gandhi?

Going to that samadhi of Gandhi or Nehru or Indira Gandhi ... it’s all theatre... yeh saab natak hai. What’s here (pats his heart)? There is nothing here. It’s all a show. There are no principles left, nowhere. Not even in the government, the Congress government.

• But why do you say you are not a Gandhian? Do you have some disagreements with Gandhi?

Yes, I do.

• Tell us about them.

To understand me, you have to go back to 1948, or even before that. Have you ever thought of Godse’s action, why he decided to kill? He got annoyed, upset, very upset. Even after giving a chunk of our land to Muslims, you were giving Rs 55 crore to them. Godse thought that if this old man lives any longer then he will ruin the country.

• And you think Godse was right in thinking so?

You have to think. Wasn’t he?

• I don’t think he was right...

When the British were about to give India freedom, Churchill said, “Don’t give freedom to that naked fakir, he will ruin the country.” And that’s what has happened. We are seeing the fruit of that mistake today.

• I don’t exactly remember the Churchill quote... he had indeed called Gandhi a naked fakir, and then later said that don’t give freedom to India... but let’s go back to the Godse business. The majority of the people in India believe that what Godse did was very wrong, that he was a murderer.

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